The GOAT Bing Gordon -- legendary co-founder of EA and venture capitalist at Kleiner, Perkins -- stops by to talk to us about the new book he has written with his dauguter Chlöe: Everybody Wins. The book is a master class on gamification, with relevance to both a gaming and general business audience. Bing is our first-ever guest on the podcast, and it was an absolute delight to interview one of our game industry heroes.

Mitch and Blake have a wide-ranging, candid conversation with Bing about too many topics to list in these show notes. We talk about the big ideas in his book, and in the process discuss EA, Zynga, Duolingo, AI, the current state of the games business, and many, many other topics. Bing is a great raconteur, and he and Mitch have been colleagues, collaborators, and competitors across decades in both the games business and Silicon Valley venture capital, so they bring a unique context to the interview.

This one is a must-listen!